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scriptingNews outline for 12/15/2000

Author:Dave Winer
Posted:12/15/2000; 12:12:41 AM
Topic:scriptingNews outline for 12/15/2000
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There's an Easter Egg under the Christmas tree. ";->"

Bryan Bell did a tutorial on navigation in Manila, with a new twist. "Maintaining your sites navigation with Manila is Not Hard by any stretch of the imagination, however it is step intensive."

Jake Savin did a directory for Perl.

Survey: Do you have a full-time net connection?

A List Apart: Using XSLT to Transform XML.

W3C: Requirements for XML Protocol Working Group. This is the successor to SOAP, which is the successor to XML-RPC.

Michael Brennan: What is XP?

InfoWorld: BT sues Prodigy over hyperlink patent.

New Channel: Latino Vote News.

SF Chronicle: "A Hewlett-Packard employee headed to San Jose aboard a company airplane plunged 2,000 feet to her apparent death last night in a mysterious incident that went unreported to police until 44 minutes after the plane landed."

How can you tell the election michegas is over? A snowstorm is the top item on CNN. Thank heaven for minor miracles. How did we get through this? Or did we?

BlackHoleBrain: "Ok, fruitcake is extremely heavy - and why? Well, because radioactive ions, present in the whale-blubber-like yellow congealing agent that holds all that stuff together, permeate every molecule of the fruity block of crap."

Gleaned from referer logs, on Google, "soap" means Simple Object Access Protocol. The classic definition of soap, the stuff you lather up with, is deprecated. (A new word you'll hear more of on Scripting News.)

Red Herring: Doerr defends deplored B2Cs.

An important Manila fix 

A new fix for Manila tonight, just snuck up on me, and I realized I hadn't talked about it yet.

Suppose you've created a Manila story using Radio. It's stored on the server in two forms -- as an outline and as rendered HTML text. Before tonight, if you clicked on Edit This Page to edit it in the browser, you'd get the HTML text. Make a change, you'll see it in the rendering. However, the next time you edited in it Radio, you would get the old text, since ETP wasn't updating the outline.

The bug is fixed, and in a pretty elegant way, imho.

Now when you ETP an outline in the browser, you get the OPML text. (Screen shot.) You can edit it. The changes are reflected in both the rendered HTML text and in the outline. When you edit it in Radio, you get the changes. No loss of synchronization.

It might be a little scary to edit OPML in a web browser, if so, don't do it (click on the Back button in the browser), but I kind of like it. But I'm weird. I know that. You can quote me.

Linking to XML, revisited 

Yesterday I flip-flopped on my Linking To XML icon. Should it be 12-by-12, or some other size, should I punt and just do the link in text? Problems problems. In the end I went with an icon, 36-by-14, and solved the awkwardness by placing the icon away from the text for the directory. It looks good. I've had a chance to use the site that has the link, and it sneaks up on me the right way, so we have a solution.

I've already heard from one developer who wants to use the icon in the same way. Please do. It's best if it always means the same thing. Click on this icon to get the XML behind this HTML page. In the old days we used to call these "user interface standards" and they're good things, they fit into the human mind in a nice way.

Want to see how it works? I added the new icon to the Radio UserLand directory. If you have a Manila site and are doing directories, here's how to add an XML icon to your directory, and why you might want to do it.

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