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scriptingNews outline for 2/22/2001
Author: Dave Winer Posted: 2/22/2001; 6:33:09 AM Topic: scriptingNews outline for 2/22/2001 Msg #: 22092 Prev/Next: 22091 / 22093
DaveNet: The art that comes from competition.
A candidate for a new Scripting News motto: "There's no such thing as a winnable war, it's a lie we don't believe anymore."
Sam DeVore reports that Opera/Mac, which is new, works very nicely with Manila and Radio.
I really like this guy's style.
Press release: ebXML Integrates SOAP Into Messaging Services Specification. Break out the champagne!
News.Com: "SOAP gained industry support after IBM, Lotus Development and other companies began working with it and developing a newer version that was less Microsoft-specific." SOAP 1.0 was not in any way "Microsoft-specific."
Washington Post: Online Media -- Old News? Wishful thinking?
It's called interop
People stare at me in disbelief when I say that there will be lots of Dot-Nets. There will be. First there was one. There will be two, for sure, we're finishing ours now, it's called Radio. And then everyone else will know how to do it too.
Microsoft's platform has every programming language known to man, and a few more. Ours has one. Theirs works with SQL databases. Ours has a built-in object database. Theirs doesn't have a Web content management system. Ours does. Theirs doesn't run on the Mac. Ours does. Theirs comes from Microsoft, ours does not.
Of course Java is a Dot-Net. Look at all the languages they have running in Java. It talks to SQL databases. It kind of runs on a Mac. It also does not come from Microsoft.
Zope is a Dot-Net too. Two languages at last count. An object database, a Web interface. Open source.
Here's what all Dot-Nets have in common.
It's called interop, and we mean it. In May or June, Murphy-willing, we'll have an interop event. Here's how it's going to work. A call for presentations with a twist. No single presenters. You have to have a date. Your date works at a different company. You can boast about your product, no problem there, but you also have to boast about your date's product. And you have to demo interop. You can have as many dates as you want. Awards will be given based on how interesting your interop is. Awards will be given also for lack of lock-in. Awards will be given for big companies supporting little ones. Awards will also be given for little companies working with little companies (a rare, precious thing). There will be scholarships for small developers and open source projects.
We now have a slogan. "Interop till you drop."
The evening movie will be They Shoot Horses Don't They?
Working name for the conference: Interopathon.
Brent: "I was watching on TV a cheetah standing in the middle of a giant herd of something -- not gazelles, something a little larger. They weren't afraid of the cheetah at all. They knew. The cheetah was looking around at all these animals, in the middle of literally tons and tons of meat, but there was nothing he could do. A lion would have had a field day, but the cheetah just looks around, hungry."
Last night's DaveNet got quite a response, including one from Napster CEO Hank Barry. He said "I wish it were this simple. It is not." To which I responded "Hank, it is that simple."
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