Archive of UserLand's first discussion group, started October 5, 1998.
Re: RFC: Including story text in the XMLization
Perhaps I should make myself a little clearer. I'm totally with you on making it easy to write. I've worked with journalists on the web for four years and I know they don't want anything beyond the basic markup (those that do are prepared to learn, generally!).
My ideal is a CMS suite that is quick and easy enough to use for writers and preserves more logical information (so us tool-writers and site producers can work all our transformations on it). There's a certain amount of logical activity that you want to do on a story as well as write it (add pictures, links, captions, headlines, bylines, datelines, references, sidebars) that is still too difficult/clunky without resorting to hacking HTML. This is the sort of problem I'm keen to solve (of course with some effort this functionality can be developed - and I've done it in the past - but only in the specific, rather than reusable situation).
On the second point, I agree that given the establishment of XLink like fashion, so the
My concern really was that although it wouldn't complicate
[A note about XMLNews: XMLNews is just one suggestion, from one group of people. It is an easier-to-use subset of the News Industry Text Format agreed by the European and US Newspaper/agency associations (IPTC and NAA). It doesn't have too many public examples of roll-out at the moment (you can find them at http://www.xmlnews.org/users.html) but one thing that's interesting is promised authoring support in the next generation of Corel's WordPerfect product. I suspect that it will be under consideration by a lot of web producers coming from print media -- I know that at my (soon to be ex-)employer, the UK's Press Association, it's actively under consideration for exporting content.]
There's no reason why there oughtn't to be a format, which supports directly those things that the Scripting News community needs, either. As I said before I have no association with XMLNews and have had very little experience of using it.
At the moment, although I author my raw content in XML, I have had to invent my own DTDs for it, which I only view as a temporary solution until there become some more accepted standards that are flexible enough for my needs. Maybe this discussion will be the start of one!
I hope that has made some of my points clearer -- apologies for not being quite lucid enough the first time around.
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