Archive of UserLand's first discussion group, started October 5, 1998.
scriptingNews outline for 3/12/2001
Author: Dave Winer Posted: 3/12/2001; 7:02:51 AM Topic: scriptingNews outline for 3/12/2001 Msg #: 22112 Prev/Next: 22111 / 22113
Charles Cook: XML-RPC for .NET. Mind bomb!!
WebReference: Interview with Dave Winer.
DaveNet: What is Radio UserLand?
Mary Jo Foley: "It's a lot easier to defend a position that there is not now and never was a 'browser market' when you erase the word 'browser' from your approved vocabulary list."
News.Com: Microsoft's Ballmer touts XML Web standard.
Dann Sheridan wants to talk about Hailstorm.
WebDev: Statische Websites mit Radio Userland.
Hey Scoble is interviewing people at the Fawcette Marketing Conference, using his blog. Now is that viral or what? Do you think he's sneaking a demo in there. If marketing people discover Manila, watch out. Maybe we'll get some marketing! Seriously. There's a lot of hungry Internet marketers out there. Pssst. We have something you can market. ";->"
Ever notice something new in a song that you've listened to for decades. That just happened. Listening to Lola by the Kinks. "Well I'm not dumb but I can't understand why she walked like a woman but talked like a man." The cool thing is the way he sings "dumb". Heavy emphasis. Big pause. Kind of fruity but angry. But sheez, get a clue, he is totally dumb, in a nice British sort of way. That's what's so funny.
Tonight's song: Fast car. "We leave tonight or live and die this way."
Jeff Bezos: "It sure is easy to go from the Internet poster boy to the Internet pinata." Yeah if you act like a pig.
Speaking of pigs, let me know when the VCs get a clue.
Edd Dumbill: "Clark, the technical lead for XML 1.0 and author of influential XML open source software, noted that he was reluctant to hurt the feelings of the XML Schema Working Group, but then expressed his view that the XML Schema effort was 'little short of a disaster.'"
The W3C has asked us, as part of participation in the Web Services Workshop, to write a position brief on our interest in Web Services. Here it is.
At one point I was thinking of doing a SOAP-based protocol called P2PTP. Get it?
Adam Curry is using Manila to help his daughter's class.
Happy 50th birthday to Chris Gulker! (Belated.)
Thanks to Chris Pirillo at LockerGnome for the great review and pointer to Radio. "Stream news onto your OWN WEB PAGE from a plethora of sources, add your thoughts to the mix, and become a part of the peer-to-peer phenomenon. Organize the clips through the client and you'll never need to know anything about HTML. How's this: the software is simple and fun... kinda like me. Only cool."
Microsoft and eBay
Reuters: "[eBay] will support Seattle-based Microsoft's new Internet effort .NET and will be one of the first Web sites worldwide to offer its community-based commerce engine to Web developers as an XML-based Web service."
I'm on the eBay-Microsoft conference call now (9:18AM). Meg Whitman: "Blah blah blah one step closer build out our API, to allow third party developers to incorporate eBay's, Microsoft's extensive network of developers..." Steve Ballmer (9:21AM): "Next generation of the Internet, the XML generation, even more transforming to the user experience, faciliatating connections, people talking to people, websites talking to websites, people talking to websites. Launched dotnet in June, getting our act togethere. What would be the one company to get behind dotnet? (Hmmm. Let me guess) eBay eBay is at the top of the list. Then I got an email from Meg, let's do something pretty important and pretty strategic, a gift from the gods, we've really been working, a shared version. eBay is about community, people and businesses, and smaller businesses, shared vision, facilitate third parties putting things on eBay. End-users use Windows. Log into Windows XP, you'll be logged into eBay and any other website that wires into dotnet. The XML Generation, eBay born of the Internet, pleased and honored, we look forward to handling your questions." Meg: "Sun runs our backend. We can upgrade our front-end to Win2K so we can access the developer community better. Sun is still very much a partner on the backend." Meg: "Dotnet enables developers to create tools for eBay, those developers will be able to import the eBay market place into their content sites." Dave: The services work just as well with IBM and Sun and UserLand. Steve: "4 million developers." I asked my question. If this is SOAP, isn't it just as open to Sun, IBM and independent developers. Steve: "It is SOAP, which as you know, is open."
Good morning sports fans!
I love that line. It's my placeholder. By mid-morning something comes along to be my top story at least for a few hours, and off goes the sports fan greeting.
When Garret Vreeland moved his site he wrote an essay about how he was tired of living on the web to please other people. I don't know where that essay went, but the thought remained. It's the same feeling that a wife uses when divorcing a husband, or a husband divorcing a wife. But of course on the Net, as long I just express my own ideas, so what if I don't please some people? Some people are darned difficult to please! And we're not married so I don't have to go to court to get a divorce. Happiness. ";->"
Anyway, I have a little experiment that I'd like to suggest to people who have close friends who like to explore human nature. Go for a walk, a relatively long one, with your friend. At the outset, suggest playing a game. "I'd like to ask you, sometime during this walk, why you said or did something. It may not seem significant to you, but I'd like you to answer truthfully. I will ask the question when I am sure I know the reason why you did what I saw you do, or heard you say what you said. The only reason I'm going to ask you why is to learn about myself. To find out if I'm truly omniscient or if I am projecting my own movie onto your life."
Now, my bet is that you'll learn a tremendous amount about yourself when you do this. Your friend will say "I am doing this because xxx," and you thought it was yyy. Or maybe your friend won't even know that he or she actually did anything.
Such an experiment can only lead to good things. You'll learn the value in asking instead of assuming you know. What makes me think of this? A conversation with a friend a few weeks ago where she commented on something I did, in fairly accusatorial way, but not terribly so, because it left room for me to explain. "I didn't do that to hurt your feelings," I said. I wasn't even thinking about her when I did it. I know this is true, because I didn't know she was involved in what I was talking about. But my friend was assuming it was about her. It was not.
Another little story. Yesterday I was on my daily walk. I carry an orange ball with me sometimes, and throw it ahead of me, sometimes it lands in the bushes and I have to go digging around to find it. A car passed me as I was walking off the road into the bushes to look for my orange ball. "He must think I'm getting out of his way," my movie said to me. "But the joke's on him (a la Ole) I'm just going to get my orange ball." What a conversation. For all I know it was a woman driving the car, and perhaps she didn't even see me, or she was telling her kids to shut up, or driving her mother to the hospital and thinking about how she was going to pay the bills.
The "I am the center of the universe and I know everything" bug is quite pervasive in human discourse. Compare reality to your perception and all kinds of goodness happens.
And so we begin another week on Scripting News..
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