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scriptingNews outline for 4/9/2001

Author:Dave Winer
Posted:4/9/2001; 7:07:50 AM
Topic:scriptingNews outline for 4/9/2001
Msg #:22142
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As you might imagine I did a lot of communicating with Microsoft people today. Before closing for the night, I want to say that well before the piece ran I told Markoff that I thought it would all work out and that we would get fair interop in SOAP 1.1. It was his choice to present the quotes in the order he did, and to omit that. As soon as I saw the piece I wrote an essay to clarify. In all the emails and talks with Microsoft people, I said that I feel that the best way get the press to write the story we want is to go the next step and make sure this really is a free market. It's worth the effort.

Jeff Veen on IE6 and standards.

A new test results matrix on Jake's SOAP Journal.

I'm implementing Eric Kidd's spec for groups of XML-RPC messages transmitted in "boxcars." Interesting work, I think it will speed up some of the apps we run behind the firewall at UserLand. Here's a screen shot of the server code.

I'll be at the W3C Web Services Workshop on Wed+Thu.

O'Reilly has an interesting spin on the Markoff piece.

Glenn: "Dave Winer has become ubiquitous."

Shilad Sen has a new Python XML-RPC client/server that he says is up to 100 times faster than PythonWare's. I added it to the list of implementations, which is now up to 28.

XML-RPC for Guile is #29.

Brent: "Seven-year-old American boys are prepared for sudden violence against the British anytime, anywhere. Sorry, Brits, don't even think about taking back your colonies."

Mail starting 4/9/01.

It took a while for this to sink in. I was surprised that the Markoff piece essentially was a weblog piece. I wonder if the Times realizes that? So many of the weblog pieces are trivializing "Lonelyhearts Club" stories. Here's an example of a weblog making a difference. Clearly XML-RPC was created on the Web. And it wasn't until the work came out in the open on SOAP that the problems could start to be addressed. XML-RPC never had the problems, imho, because it only had a short private gestation. If there were fatal flaws, they would have been discovered quickly, flamed over, and probably corrected. Sometimes it works.

I'm getting too much mail from self-proclaimed "Microsoft Haters." I am not a Microsoft hater. And Mitch, who to this day (according to Markoff) holds a personal grudge against Microsoft says I'm too tenacious? What ever. In the end, if this stuff we're doing works, there will be a new free market for software, without lock-in. If you can get behind that, we could use your help. If you think this is tilting at windmills, join a local Microsoft Haters club, they're all over the place, apparently.

John Brockman: "Dare to be great!! Cut the crap, eat your Matzoh, and enjoy! It doesn't get any better than this."

Ed Cone: "Read it already, it ain't so bad. Markoff clearly liked it." (Cone is the author of the Wired profile.)

Clarification: I got credit for the "stuffed in the trunk" line, but it wasn't mine, I was quoting Dan Anderson.

The referers page on DaveNet.

What is this? (Chris Langreiter says it's a summary of the Times piece.)

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